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Local Road Safety Training w/FHWA -March 10, 2021 - Shared screen with speaker view
Tracy Coan
25:21
Good morning, everyone!
Mikki McDaniel
25:33
morning!
Luis Hernandez
25:40
good morning!
Emily Stokes
26:17
Good morning!
Josh Pilachowski
26:56
Good morning!
James Boyle
27:20
Good morning!
Tracy Coan
30:22
Hello, everyone. Please take a moment to answer the poll as your getting settled.
Silver Sinang
31:04
Orange County Public Works
Sara Sundquist
31:45
Public health
Ramin Nikoui
32:24
your breaking up
Sonia Hernandez
32:47
He’s breaking up
Joe Siemers
32:56
Joe Siemers, MGE Engineering, Good Morning!
Chuck Taylor
33:11
poor connection Ken
James Boyle
33:14
his sound is not good
Josh Pilachowski
33:55
captions are generating though
Reichel Reichel
34:00
I suggest Ken uses the Zoom phone in for audio.
Misty Rickwalt
34:24
Very garbled.
Lindsay Tallman
34:29
still badly breaking up Ken
Tracy Coan
36:15
Dial by your location+1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose) Meeting ID: 867 1191 6293
Shawn Knapp, Town of Moraga
41:32
Are these total pedestrian fatalities or are they normalized for populations?
Phil Vassion
43:55
Graphics are difficult to see.
Tracy Coan
43:57
Thank you for your patience in this virtual space
Tracy Coan
44:44
ZOOM TIP: If you need to enlarge the viewing screen: go to View Options at the top of your screen—you will find it next to the green “You are viewing (name) screen” Hit the drop-down menu and select Zoom Ratio – this will allow you to enlarge the item on the Zoom screen.
Phil Vassion
49:48
It's better.
Tyler deBoer
57:27
Unexpected, I would think there would be fewer pedestrians in the colder months
John Everett
59:15
Lighting, or lack there of, is a major factor in ped accidents. In winter there are shorter days.
Luisa Zavala
59:58
The size of vehicles just seem to keep getting bigger too. Trucks and SUV's have very large front ends that doesn't help I am sure.
Matt Gertz - LADOT
01:01:19
What radius from the actual intersection is classified as the intersection area? Say 25 feet, 50 feet?
Brianna Goodman
01:03:23
Can you provide more detail on the Parallel Vehicular Green Extension Interval?
Matt Gertz - LADOT
01:03:27
Curious why bicyclist fatalities took place mostly not at intersections
Tracy Coan
01:09:09
@Steve Pyburn writes: The intersection influence area is longer on the approach side than the departure side. Certainly, the radius of the round corner is a good rule of thumb. Peds are a little farther away from the cross street in a roundabout, so, there is some variability of where the “intersection” is.Some possible reasons for higher mid-block bike crashes: Less lighting, cyclists riding the wrong direction. Cyclist failure to yield to cars. Coding errors on crash reports. Run off-road onto the shoulder by cars. Cyclist wearing dark clothes, not having light or reflectors. Cyclists not wearing helmets (leads to fatal and sever crashes).
Mitch Megas
01:12:31
Has there been issues with cars stopping at the dark signal head at a PHB and getting rear ended?
Phil Vassion
01:13:47
Yes, we have one in Placer County and we have seen vehicles stop at the dark signal on more than a few occasions, but no rear-ends so far.
Mitch Megas
01:15:14
We were thinking about using one but were concerned with vehicles getting rear ended. The street we were looking at has I high speed limit.
Anne Thomas
01:15:20
How do we include safety for people on bikes at these mid-block crossings? We don’t want to force people to ride in the marked area with pedestrians. But we must know that people on bikes and with scooters are also using these crossings.
Steve Pyburn
01:15:23
Have not heard of widespread problems with people stopping at dark signals. They may stop if they see a ped, waiting to cross even if the PHB is not activated.
John Everett
01:16:26
I need to go on a road diet!
Steve Pyburn
01:16:42
The trade off in using the PHB is the risk for peds being hit vs a rear end crash. If it is the first PHB in the area, an outreach campaign would be helpful.
Mitch Megas
01:17:34
Thanks
Alia Awwad
01:18:02
Since PHBs are roughly similar in cost to pedestrian signals, and both don't have to be coordinated with nearby signals, is the main reason PHBs are recommended over ped signals the fact that they require less warrants? If so, have there been conversations about PHBs if the new MUTCD was to eliminate these warrants?
Ken Kochevar
01:18:06
Anne, I would think bikes and scooters can use mid-block crossing also for protection. Shouldn’t they be walking them cross the roadway which would solve the problem?
Steve Pyburn
01:19:59
Mixing peds, bikes and scooters is a common issue. In one regard, it is a good problem to have. You could use signage to or contrasting pavement marking (lime a green area within the crosswalk) for bikes.
Steve Pyburn
01:23:10
FHWA Proven Safety Countermeasureshttps://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/provencountermeasures/NHTSA Data Visualization Toolhttps://explore.dot.gov/views/DV_FARS_PD/Home?:iid=1&:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=ySafe Transportation for Every Pedestrian (STEP)https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/step/resources/STEP Guide for Improving Pedestrian Safety at Uncontrolled Crossing Locationshttps://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/step/docs/STEP_Guide_for_Improving_Ped_Safety_at_Unsig_Loc_3-2018_07_17-508compliant.pdfBikeway Selection Guidehttps://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/tools_solve/docs/fhwasa18077.pdfRoad Diet Informational Guidehttps://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/road_diets/guidance/info_guide/
Steve Pyburn
01:25:22
The FHWA notes the following: “PHBs are useful in locations where traditional crosswalk signings and markings do not result in adequate motorist yielding rates, and where the deployment or cost of a full traffic signal would not be warranted. This includes mid-block crossings or uncontrolled mainline crossing points.” (link below) FHWA is currently taking comments on an update to the MUTCD, so it’s a good time to make comments on warrants. https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/ped_bike/tools_solve/fhwasa14014/
Mikki McDaniel
01:25:34
Is there any guidance on how close a raised crosswalk can be placed with respect to the nearest driveway?
Tyler deBoer
01:25:53
The NHTSA Data Visualization Tool doesn't appear to load for me, can anyone confirm if they have the same issue?
Matt Gertz - LADOT
01:26:02
Same here @Tyler
Tyler deBoer
01:26:35
Thanks for the confirmation
Tracy Coan
01:27:28
You may have better success in using the link if you copy and paste into your internet browser
Tyler deBoer
01:27:46
That was how I tried to load it
Anne Thomas
01:27:49
Thank you - yes, I would like to see an example design that provides safe crossing for people on wheels.
Anne Thomas
01:29:07
Yeah - I don’t think it’s realistic to expect all people on bikes or scooters to walk
Diane Overland
01:29:59
is bike lane adjacent to curb or adjacent to moving travel p
Jorge Renteria
01:30:32
Has there been any studies on posting odd speed limits, 27MPH instead of 30MPH, knowing that drivers will still go higher, but catching the eyes of the drivers?
Mikki McDaniel
01:31:16
Thank you!
Hillary Isebrands
01:32:14
@ Alia A - PHBs and signals have different volume warrants in the current MUTCD and engineering judgement is also important in determining a preferred alternative for a safe and efficient crossing.
Rob Olson
01:32:26
Is there any data on driver comprehension of what to do at a PHB on higher speed roads since it is harder to post legible signs at higher speeds? We have one on a 45mph road and drivers cannot seem to read the signs early enough to properly react.
Steve Pyburn
01:32:43
the NHTS tool may be having an issue on their end. Will monitor.
Tyler deBoer
01:33:43
Ok, I'll still bookmark the tab and check back on it later
Steve Pyburn
01:35:03
A bike lane could be adjacent to the curb, or between parked cars and a travelled lane. It is defined as a lane dedicated to serving bicycles, although many locations and state laws require scooters to use them also.
Hillary Isebrands
01:39:52
@ Rob Olson - Do you have the PHBs on overhead mast arms with supplemental signing on the mast arm? Many agencies have done public education campaigns with the addition of PHB's as Steve mentioned as well as added supplemental signing on side mounted poles and overhead mast arms next to signal heads.
Steve Pyburn
01:41:06
NHTSA too about a minute to load at this link:https://explore.dot.gov/views/DV_FARS_PD/Home?:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y
Stan Hill
01:43:46
How can a local community have the speed limit reduced on a federal highway running through the community (U.S, Highway 50 through South Lake Tahoe)?
Matt Gertz - LADOT
01:44:27
Seconding Stan’s question^
Steve Pyburn
01:44:52
Diana, There are trade-offs with locating the bike lane on the curb side of the parked cars, or on the traffic side. In short, bikes are protected from moving cars when next to the curb, but may be more visible at intersections if on the traffic side. FHWA has a planning guide at https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/bicycle_pedestrian/publications/separated_bikelane_pdg/page00.cfm
Anne Thomas
01:46:19
How to get access to these slides later? (I think you mentioned and I’ve forgotten)
Ken Kochevar
01:47:53
Anne, All slides, recording and the chat will be sent out through a link on Caltrans DLA website.
Phil Vassion
01:51:03
Is the reduction consistent for all speeds? Is it effective for higher speed roadways?
Steve Pyburn
01:51:44
Stan, that is a tough question to answer. There has been at least one comprehensive safety study for that corridor. Discussing this issue with elected officials, the city manager, public works, and Caltrans may have some effect. I know there have been “squeaky wheels” on other traffic issues on that area. I believe Caltrans actually sets the speed limits.
Anne Thomas
02:09:57
Data shows so many cars leaving the roadway on two-lane rural roadways that connect our towns and cities. And wider shoulders make wider lanes that lead to increased driving speeds. And the treatments on shoulders for friction cause trouble for people walking and biking. So my question: Will we soon have design options for people walking and biking other than the shoulder spaces on these roadways that connect our towns? I realize we are all working to find solutions - It would be good to recognize the safety challenges and find other options besides having people walk and ride in a shoulder along fast traffic where we know so many vehicles enter.
Fong Vue
02:10:31
Traversable slopes -- how wide is desirable?
Ken Kochevar
02:15:01
Vue, I think every situation is different. Speed, number of vehicles and CRZ definitely have to be considered. I would hesitate to say, but add again, the wider you go with the resources you have the more room and time it gives the driver to recover.
Ken Kochevar
02:18:38
Another countermeasure to consider that is low cost is a edge line or wider edge line. Studies show an increase from 4” to 6” edge line has a CRF of 17.5% on a 2 - lane rural roadways for all crash types and a 36.5% CRF for 2 - lane roadways for F + I crash per Park CMF ID 4736 and 4737.
Hillary Isebrands
02:22:14
Follow up on some of the PHB conversation from earlier - Here are two links to some good resources on PHBs. https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/research/safety/16039/16039.pdf and https://www.phoenix.gov/streets/safety-topics/hawk-pedestrian-beacon-information
Tracy Coan
02:23:12
Local/Rural/Tribal Resources VIRTUAL Booth https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/local_rural/tribal/Local_Rural_Local_Road_Virtual_Trade_Show.pdf
Tracy Coan
02:24:19
Roadway Departure Safety Webpage: https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept
Tracy Coan
02:31:54
** BREAK** Please return at 10:45am
Steve Pyburn
02:41:59
The NHTSA Data Visualization Link posted earlier appears to be working. It does take a while to load, though. Here it is again.
Steve Pyburn
02:42:29
NHTSA link https://explore.dot.gov/views/DV_FARS_PD/Home?:iid=1&:isGuestRedirectFromVizportal=y&:embed=y
Steve Pyburn
02:45:36
Additional Intx LinksLa Jolla Boulevard case study for road diet that included roundabouts to reduce delay and improve safety.https://www.pps.org/article/road-diet-la-jolla-a-jewel-of-a-street
Hillary Isebrands
02:46:36
@ Stan Hill - CalSTA did a series of workshops in 2019 for the" Zero Traffic Fatalities Task Force." Workshop 3 focused on speed limits, speed management and speed enforcement. Here is the link to that ongoing effort that may be helpful regarding your question on speed limits. https://calsta.ca.gov/subject-areas/enforcement-and-safety/zero-traffic-fatalities
Steve Pyburn
02:48:19
Thanks Stan!
Steve Pyburn
02:50:21
All that kinetic energy has to go somewhere in a crash. People are not good at absorbing energy!
Tyler deBoer
02:52:50
Not until Smartphones come with a sumosuit airbag feature.
Steve Pyburn
02:53:29
I would like airbags for my bike, also!
Steve Pyburn
02:53:56
FHWA Proven Safety Countermeasureshttps://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/provencountermeasures/
Steve Pyburn
02:54:45
National data shows only 8 ped and bike fatalities at all roundabouts in the US. Total!
Steve Pyburn
02:56:03
The City of Roseville has been adding the borders at a number of locations.
Steve Pyburn
02:56:51
Caltrans has adopted the retroreflective backplates as as a standard.
Steve Pyburn
02:59:00
ITE recently published an update to its YCI guidelines.
Lu Li
02:59:24
is this only on YCI instead of yellow+all red?
Steve Pyburn
03:01:07
Diverging diamond interchanges also reduce vehicle conflicts and simplify signal timing. More info here: https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/innovative/crossover/
Steve Pyburn
03:01:22
Yes, yellow only.
Steve Pyburn
03:04:46
In 2016, Caltrans did a before and after study of crashes of roundabouts on state highways. At that time, they found a 100% reduction in Fatal and Serious Injury crashes and 67% reduction of total crashes.
Matt Gertz - LADOT
03:05:05
Are any of these treatments really feasible in dense urban areas with constrained roadways?
Steve Pyburn
03:07:21
R-CUT and MUT may not be the best approach for urban areas. They are well-suited for intersection on divided high-speed roads. Roundabouts can work well in urban areas, as can diverging diamond interchanges.
Steve Pyburn
03:07:23
Proven Safety Countermeasureshttps://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/provencountermeasures/FHWA Intersection Safety Case Studyhttps://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/innovative/roundabouts/case_studies/fhwasa09013/Guidelines for Timing Yellow and All-Red Intervals at Signalized Intersections (NCHRP Report 731)http://www.trb.org/Publications/Blurbs/168017.aspxFHWA Traffic Signal Timing Manualhttps://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop08024/chapter4.htm#4.5Restricted Crossing U-Turn Intersectionhttps://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/intersection/alter_design/pdf/fhwasa14070_rcut_infoguide.pdfFHWA Safety websitehttps://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/La Jolla Boulevard case study for road diet that included roundabouts to reduce delay and improve safety.https://www.pps.org/article/road-diet-la-jolla-a-jewel-of-a-street
Ken Kochevar
03:09:14
All, Regarding Backplates with Retroreflective Borders, Caltrans is getting ready to release a letter to the locals on a memo to "Expand the use of retroreflective backplates by promoting Caltrans retroreflective backplate policy" as a SHSP action. If things go well, I would expect this to be sent out over the next month. This memo is another resource that includes construction details, standard specs and authorized materials list.
patricia preston
03:10:34
How about high speed rural roads with low visibility? Standard condition for the Central Valley region and an argument against roundabouts. Any countermeasure recommendations?
Tracy Coan
03:13:37
ZOOM TIP: You may save the chat conversation/links by clicking the three dots (horizontal ellipsis), found next to the file icon and choose to save chat to your computer. Additionally, we will have this chat file posted on the Caltrans/California LTAP websites following the training.
Luis Hernandez
03:13:58
thank you Tracy
Anne Thomas
03:16:03
Thank you Steve
Sara Sundquist
03:18:38
Can you show agenda for remainder of the day?
Sara Sundquist
03:20:01
Thanks!
Tracy Coan
03:21:15
For your convenience, the presentation PowerPoints and agenda can be found here: March 10 - Portal URL -- https://apps.cce.csus.edu/portal/?forumID=6247
Darryl Brown
03:21:19
Yep, Agreed... careful after you go above 1 to 1.5 seconds of "All Red" clearance... folks get "crazy"...my 2 cents...
George Hicks
03:21:30
Are there any pedestrian crossing conflicts with vehicles at roundabouts?
Steve Pyburn
03:21:57
One study that included red-intervals http://onlinepubs.trb.org/onlinepubs/nchrp/docs/NCHRP03-95_FR.pdf
Tracy Coan
03:22:13
**LUNCH** Please return at 12:30PM
Anne Thomas
04:46:18
Yes. A culture of safety. My grandfather was killed in a highway crash, plunging his wife and young children into a life of poverty and hardship, the legacy of which continued to my life.
Ken Kochevar
04:48:21
Sorry to hear that Anne. Hopefully through trainings like this and others we can change the safety culture so less and less families have to go through this.
Tracy Coan
04:48:30
Local Road Safety Plan Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzdm798MoI8
Ken Kochevar
04:55:04
Please list any questions you have on LRSPs here in the chat.
Prashanth Dullu
04:55:10
Which cities have completed the LRSP
Brianna Goodman
04:55:40
Are the LRSPs typically done at the county level? What about the RTPA level?
Ken Kochevar
04:58:14
Brianna, Yes, LRSP are done at the county level. Robert and I have worked with 5 of them in the pilot. They were Nevada, Yolo, Marin, Humboldt and Trinity. They all have completed a LRSP to a certain extent. I'm sure there are others too. Not sure about the RTPAs.
Anne Thomas
04:58:39
Shasta Lake City just completed theirs, approved by city council in jan
Jose Ostdiek
05:03:41
City of Folsom is in the process right now, they have a draft plan available here: https://www.folsomcitysafestreets.com/
Prashanth Dullu
05:04:42
Thanks
Evelyn Espinosa
05:15:12
Can you share a link for that video?
Hillary Isebrands
05:18:36
@Evelyn - last video played - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_apdVeEbQ4
Evelyn Espinosa
05:18:53
Thank you!
Prashanth Dullu
05:23:46
Thanks Ken
Rod Brown
05:24:28
Brianna, Mendocino COG is an example, just starting, of an agency coordinating development of LRSPs for multiple cities and the county
Hillary Isebrands
05:25:00
LRSP DIY website - https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/LRSPDIY/index.cfm
Bob Delp
05:31:49
I know the focus is on road design, but can someone speak to the important of traffic law enforcement in an LRSP?
Bob Delp
05:36:33
Thank you. Very helpful and I like the idea of looking at 911 data.
Tracy Coan
05:40:54
**BREAK** Please return at 1:55PM
Tracy Coan
06:24:02
RSA Resource: https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/provencountermeasures/road_safety_audit/
Josh Pilachowski
06:24:37
Line of sight, vertical/horizontal curve
Luis Hernandez
06:24:38
Rocks really close to the road, maybe clear them and add a shoulder?
Chuck Taylor
06:24:41
limited sight distance intersection prewarning signage,
Frank Barrera
06:25:03
lack of warning signs
patricia preston
06:25:06
move that driveway.
Josh Pilachowski
06:25:08
warning signage and chevrons
Luis Hernandez
06:25:17
chevrons
Josh Pilachowski
06:25:28
add a mirror?
Jorge Renteria
06:25:28
is there room for an acceleration lane for the "T" right turn?
Jose Ostdiek
06:25:58
Add flashing beacons
Denise Zitnik
06:26:03
rumble strips
Luis Hernandez
06:29:59
thank you!
Tracy Coan
06:35:12
We be back from BREAK at 2:40pm
Jose Ostdiek
06:46:12
How do those rumble strips improve safety for cyclists?
Sonia Hernandez
06:48:28
Any before & after data regarding transverse rumble strips on rural roads as you approach curves.
Ken Kochevar
06:56:21
Jose, That is a good question. Not being sarcastic, I would say that if there is a paved shoulder and we have rumble strips or stripes and the vehicle exits at a shallow angle, the driver could be alerted to their roadway departure and correct back into their lane before departing all the way onto the paved shoulder and hitting a bicyclist. Overall, we have to balance vehicular and bicyclist travel. We should be including the perspective view of bicyclists especially when there is a great number of them on a route. We should also be including gaps in the rumble strips so they can move in and out where needed. We should make sure that shoulder are cleared periodically of debris so they can use the paved shoulder. Again, there is no one answer that is going to be satisfactory to all players, but there are clearly better solutions than others.
Ken Kochevar
07:07:13
Sonia, I don't know of any before and after data regarding transverse rumble strips on rural roads as you approach curves. I have seen them when approaching an intersection and believe I've seen examples of what you are describing, but don't know where I've seen that. I will look later today to see if I can find anything and if so I will put this in the "scrubbed chat" that we send out on Caltrans DLA website.
Tracy Coan
07:13:52
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Josh Pilachowski
07:14:57
For the organizers, will this webinar count towards Professional Development Hours, such as for RSP certification?
Hillary Isebrands
07:15:21
@ Sonia - Here is a couple of links that mention transverse rumble and grooves on curves. https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/horicurves/fhwasa07002/fhwasa07002.pdf and https://safety.fhwa.dot.gov/roadway_dept/countermeasures/horicurves/fhwasa15084/fhwasa15084rev011720_508_FINAL.pdf
Ken Kochevar
07:15:59
Josh, Unfortunately for this training or from our side we are not issuing any PD hours. Sorry.
Tracy Coan
07:18:36
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Silver Sinang
07:23:37
Do we receive a certificate?
Joe Siemers
07:25:11
Thanks to ALL of the presenters/facilitator for your time and efforts today! Great class...
Richard Poole
07:27:12
thank you
Luis Hernandez
07:27:15
Thank you to all the presenters. It was a great class and we all learned a lot
Emily Stokes
07:27:17
Thank you!
William Jow
07:27:17
Thank you all
Said Ahman Bilal Houseyni
07:27:21
thank you!
Stevan Campbell
07:27:24
Thank you
Ken Wick
07:27:24
Thank you.
Frank Barrera
07:27:26
Thank you
Mikki McDaniel
07:27:27
Thank you!
Sonia Hernandez
07:27:29
Thank you!
Tracy Coan
07:27:34
Thank you!
Dayue Zhang
07:27:40
Thank you!
Lilia Razo
07:27:40
Thank you!
Shawn Knapp, Town of Moraga
07:27:40
thank you!
Myron Phouaypha
07:27:41
Thank you!